Friday, August 22, 2025

Compliant

In late March I published a post addressing an ordinance adopted by the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors calling for the creation and maintenance of "defensible space clearance" surrounding homes and other buildings in areas within a "high or very high fire severity zone" as designated by the Los Angeles County Fire Department.  Effectively, that designation applies to the entire peninsula on which we live.  In capital letters and red print, the letter we received from the Fire Department was described as a "NOTICE TO DESTROY HAZARDOUS BRUSH, DRY GRASS, WEEDS, COMBUSTIBLE GROWTH OR FLAMMABLE VEGETATION TO INCLUDE NATIVES AND ORNAMENTALS."  The partial list of vegetation "known to be flammable" included: Acacia, Cedar, Cypress, Eucalyptus, Juniper, Pine, and Pampas Grass.  Additional information was provided concerning homeowner responsibilities, annual inspections, a $151 inspection fee to be billed on the 2026 property tax bill, and a description of penalties to be assessed if a property owner cited for non-compliance fails to correct any issues described in the citation within thirty days.  Inspections of properties along the coast were expected in June.  You can find my original post here and associated posts regarding the actions I took here and here.

Even prior to the new ordinance, we'd received annual walk-through inspections (with no associated fees).  I've spoken to those inspectors on a couple of occasions, receiving input I was asked to pass along to a neighbor on one occasion but never any criticism of my own landscape.  I watched for the inspectors in June but never saw anyone, although I spotted a fire department vehicle hustling through the neighborhood on one occasion that month.  I subsequently spoke to a neighbor who told me he'd been cited and he referred generally to other neighbors he thought may have been cited as well.  My husband and I received no citation; however, we finally received a notice in early August (dated July 3, 2025) notifying us that we were found "compliant" with the Los Angeles County Fire Department's Fire Code.  We were also advised that the local fire station may conduct further inspections throughout the fire season and that, if we were to sell our house more than six months following the official notice of our compliance, we'd need to request another inspection.

So I didn't get much in the way of guidance!  I can only make rudimentary assumptions based on the actions taken by selected neighbors.  If anyone in our neighborhood received formal notice of non-compliance with an inspection citation, I haven't heard about it but then how many people would advertise that?

Here's what I noticed with respect to neighbor properties.  As I don't have any recent "before" photos you can only rely on my personal assessments.

This unirrigated area previously included masses of Asphodelus fistulosus (aka onionweed).  The homeowner told me he thought it was attractive, which it is for about a nanosecond in early spring.  He pulled all of it up and cut back the woody Echiums.  When we talked he told me that the inspector focused exclusively on the front garden, never venturing into the back garden.

This neighbor pruned the trees, increasing the space between them, and also pulled the weeds in his front garden

These neighbors had the most extensive work done, although my guess is that much of it may have been unrelated to any citation.  It included the removal of 2 dead and one dying Eucalyptus and pruning all their pine, palm, and California pepper trees (Schinus molle).  The only thing I found odd was that they didn't remove  the 2 large junipers lined up against the house. They have a wide pickle ball court and patio area between the house and the succulent bed running along the street so their home seems generally well-protected in the event of a wildfire.

Their palm trees were beautifully groomed by the tree service crew.  In fact, it appears that virtually everyone with a palm tree in the surrounding area had their dead fronds removed.

This neighbor across the street from the prior property had general pruning done

This neighbor had all her tall pine trees nicely pruned for the first time I can remember

No work was done here other than the owners' own weekly sweeps of debris.  I've always had concerns with the Eucalyptus trees here, one which looks to be no more than a foot from the house and the other which sits right along the street.  None of the trees appear particularly healthy and they're not well pruned.  There's only one way to drive out of our neighborhood and, if one of those trees falls into the street, it could have dire consequences.

By comparison, this Eucalyptus in another neighbor's garden is well-maintained.  These trees are questionable in a high fire risk area to begin with but at least this one is healthy.

This one-plus acre lot has been empty for decades and the owner doesn't maintain it at all to our knowledge.  The city comes in annually and cuts down the weeds and overgrowth, presumably billing the owner.  Whoever did the work this year left ample debris behind and I really hope the Fire Department filed a citation.  Penlities include a $500 administrative fee, an assessment of $1199 added to the owner's tax bill, and another inspection fee of $51.59.

Another California pepper and 2 palms received severe haircuts here

This is an old photo of the house down the street from me with the wide expanses of Mexican feather grass (Nassella tenuissima) and succulents.  (The agaves are much taller now.)  I expected the Fire Department inspector to order removal or at least a hard cutback of the grass nearest to the front of the house but all of it is untouched.  Their Pampas grass is also untouched.


A landscaper took measurements of the front area of this property a year ago and I've been looking forward to seeing a garden emerge ever since.  One large Yucca elephantipes was removed several months ago and bags of rock were dropped off but nothing has happened since.  The large shrubs by the house could use a trim but I'm guessing there may be nearly a 5 foot space between them and the house and thus didn't trigger a citation. 

This neighbor pruned a tree and cleared many of their shrubs of pine tree debris but left a lot of the dry needles in place on the ground.  I saw this in another garden too.  According to some online sources, pine needles can ignite even without direct fire exposure.  (You can see more in this video.)


I'll be having many of my trees and several large shrubs pruned as usual this fall.  I'll have the dead Ceanothus arboreus at the bottom of my back slope removed at the same time.  I also plan to dig up the Cistus ladanifer close to the house as soon as I find a replacement as there seems to be general agreement that it's flammability is greater than other Cistus due to the particularly volatile oil in its foliage.  I still have a fair amount of replanting to do as well in the areas I cleared in early May but the remainder of that work is on hold until cooler temperatures return and the prospect of rain is back on the horizon.

I'd like to point out that, if you look into plant flammability, there are a lot of contradictions to be found in the available literature.  I've pulled a variety of lists for reference in making my own judgments but it's maddening at times.  I can only hope that there'll be more scientific study in this area, especially given the increasing risk of wildfire as our climate continues to warm.   Should you have an interest in the subject, here are links to just a few resources I found:

For those of us in California, the impact of the "zone zero" legislation (Assembly Bill 3074) is still pending.  The State Board of Forestry has been assigned the task of developing guidelines for its implementation, which would restrict the use of combustible materials within five feet of residential structures in high fire risk areas.  When those guidelines are developed and approved, they'll immediately apply to all new structures.  I've heard they'll be applied to existing residences within one to three years (depending upon the source you consult).  There's some controversy over the value of the "zone zero" approach but, if adopted, my guess is that insurance companies presented with decisions about renewing fire insurance policies may require it.  A couple views on the "zone zero" approach can be found here and here.


Fun, huh?!  Best wishes for a pleasant weekend.


All material © 2012-2025 by Kris Peterson for Late to the Garden Party

24 comments:

  1. I always enjoy a walk around your neighborhood. Some of those look like perfect tinder for a fire. The fines don't seem to be much of a deterrent. The empty lot just sitting there, I wonder what the story is? Is it right next to you?

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    1. The empty lot is 3 houses and 2 "spur streets" down from us so, not next door, but too close in the event of a fire. I can't fathom why it's sat empty for so long. We've been here nearly 15 years and my understanding is the home on that double lot burned down at least 10 years before we moved here. A neighbor told me the owner wanted too much for the land but I've never even seen a land-for-sale posting online. The word is that he may be bankrupt but with the price of an acre+ overlooking the Port of LA could get, that's hard to believe!

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  2. You did great, Kris, congrats! (Meanwhile, in Oregon...use of wildfire hazard maps re defensible space has been repealed. Even though illegal to do so, rural property owners feared insurance companies would use the maps to raise insurance rates, and also that property values in general would be affected by wildfire risk designations. (https://www.opb.org/article/2025/06/25/oregon-legislature-repeals-contested-wildfire-hazard-map/)

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    1. California in general already had insurers ditching homeowners right and left here and I suspect the provisions of the "Zone Zero" guidelines will end up being forced down out throats by those insurers we still have left and those providing support via the FAIR Plan. Ultimately, the number and ferocity of fires in any area or state, regardless of the existence of any "hazard" designation, will drive insurer action. The politicians who repealed those designations are deluding themselves and their voters. I hope they're not completely ignoring the necessity of actively managing wildfire risks.

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    2. I will say that our insurer here in Oregon is already considering dropping us because of our location out in the woods. They said that they had their own hazard assessments and hazard maps, which didn't include the Oregon hazard map that was retracted. Our assessment was all based on our location in the woods and that we are too far from a non-volunteer fire station and a water source. Basically, if there is a fire, our house will likely be a total loss. I still want to prepare though and will be putting a lot of thought into the garden near the house. Thank you for the resources.

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  3. Yep those pine needles are scary...and the idea of a flaming eucalyptus falling across the one road is terrifying. Congrats on your successful approach!

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    1. As other commentators remarked in response to my earlier posts, we're all dependent on what our neighbors do. People here are still absolutely stupid about fireworks (despite the so-called penalties for any and all use of them) and enforcement of the laws there are absent or trivial. I tend to think we're going to face the same challenges in enforcing landscaping restrictions.

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    2. Ugh, yes, terribly dependent on what our neighbors do. Our neighbor already had one fire get away from them years before we moved into our house, and we've observed additional risky behavior from them since then. In addition, there place is a giant, weedy, junk yard mess. The owner thinks he's being proactive because he bought his own firetruck and has an above ground swimming pool that is his reservoir. I am not so confident in his ability to make good decisions.

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  4. Fun...well...complicated, for sure. A few plants on various lists may be fire-safer, but are also surface rooted and therefore pavement buckling. Mulch is a no-no, but how else to keep the moisture level of plants as high as possible?
    Lantana recommended, but what if there is 2' of dead dry lantana underneath a 1" layer of living foliage?

    One thing I read recently is that even a massive mature Euc can burn to the ground in literally minutes, but a home can burn and produce embers for literally hours. We think about the subtleties and so forth when so many can't even do basic things like not piling up firewood against their open-eaved homes, getting their palms skinned as well as trimmed (embers fall in the leaf bases and ignite the palm), and so forth.

    Our contemporary world is so complicated we all want simple solutions that don't exist. In the meantime, stay cool. Pretty hot days stretching ahead. :(

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    1. You're right about losing track of the subtleties, HB. I think that's one of the underlying points the 2 California profs are asserting with respect to their criticisms of "zone zero." Also, while the LAFD's codes appear to address things like stacked firewood and skinned palms, they seem focused on the risks "combustible" landscape materials pose with respect to the homeowner's residence while completely ignoring the impact on their neighbors' residences when there may be a risk within the 30, 70 and 100 foot distances of concern to them. I don't envy the State Board of Forestry's task in elaborating on the state-wide guidelines. As to the LAFD's Code, I suspect those may get tougher as the years progress - the prior inspections lacked any real teeth.

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    2. I would love to hear more about the dangers posed by un-skinned vs skinned palm trees. Have tried to research but found a lack of data posted by anyone, let alone fire science.

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    3. I'd assumed "skinned" just meant removal of the dead palm fronds but, if it means taking them down to their bases (i.e. the bare trunk of the tree), I'm not familiar with that process or its effectiveness in curbing progression of a wildfire.

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  5. I'm glad you were not cited for anything. I know that is probably the worst fear for a gardener, being told you have to remove something. They would have a hay-day at my house. Our city is in the process of widening sidewalks and I was afraid my street planting strip would be taken over. However, it appears that we are on a wider street, so I think we are safe (for now at least). I love seeing photos of your neighborhood. It looks to be very well-kept. We have quite a few eye-sores in ours. (Phillip)

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    1. With the exception of the empty lot (which only briefly looks halfway decent after all the weeds and overgrowth are cut to the ground), there are few outright eye-sores here. However, quite a few of the front gardens are boring.

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  6. "Compliant" must be like music to your ears. You were 'on it' right from the start. I wish more home owners felt the urgency to reduce fire hazards regardless of inspections... take responsibility for the safety of their homes and of their neighbor's.
    Let's get through this heat wave, (there is one commencing in Seattle), and back to our gardens as temperatures cool. Not a moment too soon.
    Chavli

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    1. I wish I'd received a little more specific feedback for our $151 inspection fee but then the fire department had a monumental task and a relatively short period to accomplish it. I'd half expected drones!

      It's cooler here this morning (77F) but muggy with a slim possibility of a thunderstorm coming in from the eastern desert area. I'd so love some rain!

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  7. It's so frustrating, seeing the ordinance enforced so haphazardly, or not at all. And as far as fire danger goes, I would think that backyards are even more crucial!

    At least you're compliant. That must be a huge relief. You did work hard for it, too.

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    1. We're pretty sensitive to the risk of fire danger given the extent of my in-laws loss of their home to a wildfire in Malibu. It may have been many years ago but there are some things you can't forget.

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  8. Wow! so very interesting to read your description of measures taken and enforced or not. Also lovely to see the neighbourhood! I don't envy you the constant worry not only about fire (which I relate to) but compliance. I still look at conifers and eucalyptus with trepidation!

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    1. We inherited a very large Eucalyptus with our garden, about 8 feet from the house. A neighbor complained that it impaired her view of the harbor and, in the interest of being good neighbors, we eventually agreed to remove it. (Our community also has a "view conservation" ordinance.) As I learned more about the dangers posed by Eucalyptus, I was glad to be rid of it in retrospect, although I did resist once that same neighbor kept calling for more of our trees to come down ;)

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  9. It sounds to me that there is a lack of transparency, accountability, and consistency of enforcement. The lack of feedback also doesn't help, feeding into the inconsistencies you might be sensing across how different neighbors were treated. At the very least, they should have a checklist of the items they inspected - that would help ensure that each of their inspectors is at least attempting to evaluate the same standards across properties and a copy of filled out checklist would give the homeowner some valuable information. I've been shocked at the number of inspection agencies that don't have training and checklists to ensure that their inspectors are doing a consistent job. Too often, each inspector is doing an almost completely different evaluation - one being too lax, the other too specific. It sounds as if there are some very serious quality control concerns that they need to address.

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    1. I expected more transparency with respect to the inspection process this year given the new LA County ordinance - and the fact that the cost of the inspections are now being passed directly to homeowners. If I hadn't spoken to the one neighbor who was cited, I wouldn't even been aware it'd been done until I got my letter of compliance. I'd have appreciated seeing some kind of checklist. The fact that the neighbor I spoke to said they focused exclusively on a survey of the front yard was also a concern. That said, I'm sympathetic to the pressures on fire department staff conducting these inspections - squeezing that task into their jobs when their primary purpose is putting out fires and addressing other emergencies can't be easy. If the Board of Supervisors wants fire personnel to take on enforcement, they should dedicate the fees they're collecting to hire and train staff dedicated to perform those tasks. I'm not entirely surprised, though - there's little enforcement of the firework prohibitions either.

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    2. And, just going on stereotypes here and not real data, I wouldn't expect most fire department staff to really be plant people. That has to make it doubly or triply difficult. Can you imagine conducting inspections for plants, having never bothered with them much in the first place? It might be better if they got some gardeners in on the inspection team!

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    3. I've wondered the same thing, Jerry. Unless they've provided training AND plant lists with pictures, I doubt many fire fighters can tell one genus from another.

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